What would you pick: 'Murican Muscle edition

"Logansteno: Bought a VW?" (logansteno)
04/11/2014 at 20:40 • Filed to: None

Three base model V8 muscle cars with Track Packages.

2014 Camaro 1SS w/ 1LE package: $35,850

My Personal Choice. Most expensive but possibly most fun.

2014 Ford Mustang GT w/ GT Track Pack: $35,135

Live rear axle might take away some of the fun.

2014 Dodge Challenger R/T Classic w/ Super Track Pak: $34,085

Heavy. Very heavy.

DISCUSSION (49)

Brian Silvestro > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/11/2014 at 20:42

Mustang every single time.

CPT Speedbump > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/11/2014 at 20:42

Camaro, seeing as the 1LE was built for the 302, and 302 > GT

jkm7680 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/11/2014 at 20:42

Camaro for me. Mustang would be my second choice. Minus that Color combo on the Challenger I would appreciate it slightly more.

Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/11/2014 at 20:43

Mustang

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > jkm7680
04/11/2014 at 20:44

Plum Crazy would be mandatory if I bought a Challenger.

PS9 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/11/2014 at 20:44

Mustang. The Camaro is big in every way you don't want it to be and small everywhere else. The Challenger does the big car thing waaaay better.

Reigntastic > jkm7680
04/11/2014 at 20:45

How often can you honestly say you see a purple car? Unique colors are cool to me I guess.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > PS9
04/11/2014 at 20:47

I must have tunnel vision when it comes to the flaws of the Camaro. Because I don't see any of them. But Biased.

jkm7680 > Reigntastic
04/11/2014 at 20:47

Kinja'd!!!

But, you wouldn't be Ok with this. Hehe.

I'm for unique Colors, but Purple wouldn't be my first choice.

PanchoVilleneuve ST > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/11/2014 at 20:47

Mustang.

The Camaro is a too-heavy beast you can't see out of, and the Challenger is getting on in years and in dire need of an update.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/11/2014 at 20:47

I would go for the Camaro, because fuck Ford for putting a Chinese transmission in the Mustang.

hethoughtofcars > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/11/2014 at 20:48

As long as it has a manual, I'd go with the Challenger. Looks sweet!

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > hethoughtofcars
04/11/2014 at 20:50

I sat in a challenger at the auto show and I swear it was tailor made for me. It fit me like a glove.

AthomSfere > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/11/2014 at 20:50

Probably the Camaro, although the rarity of the Challenger... Tough decision.

The Mustang, not even on the radar. Antiquated, too fat, too ugly and there are way too many of them. Although the 2015 Mustang might change my mind, and I sort of hope it does.

McLarry > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/11/2014 at 20:51

Mustang, but not that one... You can get a used Shelby GT500 for that price!

Kinja'd!!!

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > PanchoVilleneuve ST
04/11/2014 at 20:52

That Challenger is only a year older than the Mustang.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > AthomSfere
04/11/2014 at 20:53

Someone feels the same way about the Mustang as I do! Finally!

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > McLarry
04/11/2014 at 20:54

You people and your used cars!

hollanddjw 1 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/11/2014 at 20:55

I'd have to go with the Mustang. Actually, there's a Motor Trend head-to-head between it and the 1LE. It seems that the Mustang's shortcomings stem from being undertired compared to the Camaro (well, the LRA also plays a part) and squishy suspension settings. I'd rectify suspension/tires before considering it as a serious track car.

All 3 are fat pigs btw. The Mustang is the lightest by 200+lbs, but still quite fat.

Reigntastic > jkm7680
04/11/2014 at 20:55

Kinja'd!!!

Ain't even mad. I agree, though, I'd have other choices first. Factory colors are normally so drab now though.

hollanddjw 1 > AthomSfere
04/11/2014 at 20:56

Mustang is 200+ lbs lighter than the Camaro. :)

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > hollanddjw 1
04/11/2014 at 20:57

These kinds of cars have never been light. That's what sports cars are for!

AthomSfere > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/11/2014 at 21:01

Haha, yep ;)

I love the 60's Stangs. I like the 70's and the Mustang II. I am OK with the 93+ but they never got it right like they did in the 60's.

I hate Fox Bodies because they were so plain, but they still sold well and have a huge following despite my 2.0l Civic Si having as much hp and better 0-60 times stock.

Is it a horrible car, no. And if it sold on the same scale as a Genesis I would like it more. But I still think the other two are better cars.

McLarry > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/11/2014 at 21:02

Hard to argue, though... Brand new GT or used Shelby? I mean, cmon... It's a Shelby!!

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > AthomSfere
04/11/2014 at 21:02

They're just the go-to car for Bros who want a V8. When I see a Camaro and Challenger, they catch my eye. Mustangs just don't do that anymore.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > McLarry
04/11/2014 at 21:03

Ugh. Touche.

hollanddjw 1 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/11/2014 at 21:05

I remember reading somewhere that a stripper LX notchback 5.0 Fox weighed in at under 3000lbs. While not featherweight, it's much better than any of these three.

The problem is actually FINDING a stripper LX notch 5.0 which isn't rusted to bits and in running condition with a clean title. One of those with the drivetrain of the 5th gen Camaro would be the ultimate pony car, in my book. I'd love to slap "SS" badges on a crappy Mustang and mess with people.

spanfucker retire bitch > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/11/2014 at 21:07

Kinja'd!!!

Camaro, because IRS and it looks better than the Challenger IMO. Still, if I could, I'd splurge for the ZL1.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > spanfucker retire bitch
04/11/2014 at 21:09

The Camaro has always been the looker of this generation of Ponies. And yes, everyone would go for a ZL1 if they could.

AthomSfere > hollanddjw 1
04/11/2014 at 21:09

I did say fat, not heavy. It was intentional. I am 200lbs with a 30" waist and I know guys my weight but much fatter...

And it is really the package of it, it looks huge, feels huge. Way more than it should.

Interestingly, the heaviest also looks the thinnest of the three IMO.

AthomSfere > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/11/2014 at 21:11

LOL, exactly. And the same can be said of the V6's too. Every college girl and 16 year old male that want's a fast car buys Mustang, usually a V6. But it's a Mustang so it "Literally destroy your Z/28 because Mustang"

lone_liberal > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/11/2014 at 21:13

Mustang, Challenger, and then Camaro. I just can't deal with the design of the Camaro's interior and unfortunately that's the part you look at when you're driving. I don't need to wring out the last drop of performance from the car so I really don't care that the Challenger is Big and Beautiful.

spanfucker retire bitch > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/11/2014 at 21:13

Heh. I suppose that was just redundant to say wasn't it?

"Gee, I don't know about you , but I'd go for the ZL1. As crazy as that sounds!"

I admit though, one of the biggest draws (for me, anyways) of the ZL1 besides its engine is the fact that (I think) it's the cheapest car you can get Magnetic Ride Suspension in, yes?

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > spanfucker retire bitch
04/11/2014 at 21:15

I think it is? I'm not 100% sure though.

hollanddjw 1 > AthomSfere
04/11/2014 at 21:32

You must be quite a bit bigger than me, because that's my waist size and I don't weigh 200lbs with a 5-gallon water jug over my shoulder...

Ah, you were talking stylistically. When I read "fat," I thought of weight and its effect on consumables (fuel, tires, brakes, etc). Yeah, none of these cars really try to hide their weight, but you wouldn't think that a Challenger is only a half-ton away from weighing as much as a minivan without putting it on a scale.

I don't know how I feel about the looks of the Camaro. It kinda looks like they tried too hard. Taillights are nice, especially the export tails that I see on Euro-spec cars (it's a mix of American and European-spec Camaros where I am, with Mustangs and Challengers being quite a bit rarer). I can definitely get behind the Camaro's powertrain, though.

Manuél Ferrari > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/11/2014 at 21:41

I can't decide because I have only driven a convertible rental Mustang V6 auto (I didn't want convertible, it's all they had).

I've been in a Camaro V6 but not driven it. Never been in the Challenger.

I have watched videos but the opinions vary greatly. Some people say the Camaro's more advanced suspension makes it drive smaller than the Mustang. But other people say the lighter Mustang is more fun to drive.

I think the next Mustang GT with GT Track Pack will be the winner. Except that answer isn't allowed cause that car isn't for sale yet.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Manuél Ferrari
04/11/2014 at 21:42

Sounds like you're leaning towards the Camaro

Manuél Ferrari > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/11/2014 at 21:53

A little, just based on video reviews I've watched. But I really like the Mustang too.

The next Mustang GT really intrigues me. It seems like a Merican E92 M3. N/A DOHC V8. Independent suspension. And it will be lighter than the current one. And cheaper than an M3 to maintain. It could be a really awesome car.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Manuél Ferrari
04/11/2014 at 21:56

I wish Chevy would give us a concept of the next Camaro. I'm really curious!

Justino6969 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/11/2014 at 22:02

Mustang, hands down.

AthomSfere > hollanddjw 1
04/12/2014 at 00:18

6ft, just to fill in the blanks but I carry it well. I work out which means muscle and although I am not big (appx 18" biceps) it makes a difference on weight. Actually I stopped working out and dropped 30 lbs in about two months. Working on getting it back now and am at 184.

But I agree, the Challenger looks the smallest to me. But its all brute, no finesse. Looks, power...

Where are you that Camaros are more common than Stangs? Considering the Mustang outsells the Camaro and the the Mustang has been on sale longer that's pretty surprising.

Manuél Ferrari > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/12/2014 at 00:37

What year is it supposed to launch?

The current Z28 is already so fast. I can't imagine how fads the next gen one will be

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/12/2014 at 01:16

Challenger.

Yes, it's about 50horses down on the other two, and it'll get owned on a track with corners but it has one thing that I feel the other two lack just a bit: Character. It's the only one of the 3 that I would call a true American muscle car

GRawesome > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/12/2014 at 08:40

I currently drive the Challenger, but in black. Would probably take the Camaro this time for change of pace. Mustang not even considered.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Manuél Ferrari
04/12/2014 at 11:11

The new ones supposed to drop in 2016. It's going on the alpha platform this time though.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
04/12/2014 at 11:13

I can agree with that. The other two claim to be a modernization of the classics, but the Challenger literally looks just like a modern gen-1.

hollanddjw 1 > AthomSfere
04/12/2014 at 15:12

I'm currently in Germany. A very large majority of Mustangs/Challengers I see over here are driven by young American soldiers, with the rare import driven by a German. It's not as large a disparity with Camaros, since GM actually sells them over here. They're still mostly soldier-driven, though.

Philbert/Phartnagle > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/12/2014 at 23:10

Kinja'd!!!

My personal choice just because Mustang. Having lived with the solid axle in Mustangs all my life, I'm used to it now. ;)

Manuél Ferrari > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
04/15/2014 at 01:42

That's cool as that's not that far away.

The Camaro vs. Mustang battle is going to reach new heights!